themeletor | you know what's been bugging me since the moment I saw it in DMC?

what was up with the Liz-chaining-Jack-to-the-mast thing?

did the writers really think we were about to believe Jack'd jump ship if she didn't? because that's what it looked like their intent was. and ok, I don't know what Captain Jack Sparrow they had in mind, but the one I know? would go DOWN with his FUCKING SHIP. she's his Pearl, ferchrissake! and Jack, self-serving and finagling as they want to paint him, would not abandon her without a damned good reason.

or have we just, like, forgotten everything about CotBP?

I mean yes, I understand that serving years on the Flying Dutchman is not a happy-looking prospect. but that's the deal he made when he had her brought up. even considering Jack's argument that he hasn't had all thirteen years of the bargain, that doesn't give him an excuse to ditch the Pearl and save his own skin -- if anything, it makes an even stronger case for fighting that cephalopod-headed bastard and his evil beastie to the very end, on the deck of the Black Pearl.

I continue to hold out hope that I just managed to miss something pivotal during that first viewing, and that someone else caught it and can pass that info along. because right now, I am distraught.

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*hugs* Yes, that rather disturbed me as well. Am hoping for a second viewing tomorrow...

*wibble* maybe a second viewing will make it more clear.

I wouldn't have believed Jack would knowingly sell Will into 100 years of slavery, either, but he did. Tossed him to Davy Jones like a bone. What's more, he was apparently willing to do it to 99 others, too, if it would save his own skin.

Rather odd behavior for a man who thinks freedom is the most important thing in the world, isn't it?

actually, I've never really seen Jack as a softie or even a good guy, despite all the "...and a good man!" lipservice in CotBP, so I wasn't too surprised at most of his behavior. I was actually a bit relieved to see it, because one of my worries had been that Disney'd be Disney and just ratchet up the "good man" blather at the expense of the ambiguity that made #1 interesting.

I do, however, hold that if there's anything Jack cares about (and admits to caring about) more than his own well-being, it's his ship.

I will note that every OTHER time Jack has cheerfully sold someone out, he's had A Plan.

Now, I may be wrong, maybe he's just bowel shakingly terrified of Davy Jones and it makes him willing to do foul things, but.

I'm guessing Plan. Maybe not NICE plan, but Plan.

All this time I was so busy worrying about what they'd do to James... it never occurred to me to worry about what they'd do to Jack :(

I wanted to kick her ass after she did that. I don't care for Keira anyway, so this made me even more pissed off. I'll check again tomorrow (yes, my second viewing in the same friggin' weekend).

I definitely agree. Best-case scenario: the scene was more about Elizabeth's character, to give us something to go "huh?" about.

Somehow, I don't think Jack intended to ever pay up on his debt. He's cheeky like that. ....well, duh.

Still, his agreeing with Gibbs at first WAS awfully suspect. That didn't sit right with me. I mean, the loading up the rum for ammunition made me squirm and giggle, but that...no. Not our Jack.

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1. In Tia Dalma's shack he monkey was playing wth a pair f boots.... Thats BArbossa.

2. In Tia Dalma's Shack as JAck is lifting things her licket is there and it looks just like his music box that sinkgs him his lullaby.

3. Tia Dalma is the one that Vexed Davey JOnes to hell.

4. in the bone balls the trick is given away by ORlano's necklace that their hunched over NOT climbing. a

....and I have a bunch more but I"m not giving them away.

I was rather annoyed by that myself. I mean... The man spent ten years trying to get her back. He practically told Elizabeth, in the first one, that the Pearl was freedom. Dammit, if Titanic's captain went down with her on her maiden voyage, you CANNOT tell me Jack would ever give up his Pearl again. Not even in (/if it meant) death.

I was floored when Jack's all "It's just a ship." Like... Knife to my heart. It was a thousand times worse than Elizabeth's betrayal of Jack.

I don't mind them proving Jack is selfish and, above all, a pirate (especially because that helps me in my endeavor to destroy all Sparrington where Jack isn't the dom)... But, any good pirate or sailor (or hell. ANYBODY) knows that a loyal and good friend is worth their weight in gold... several times over.

I like to think that Jack knew Will would never take an oath to serve Davy Jones, and that it was his plan to get the chest as quickly as possible to barter back Will's freedom... (and maybe even Bill's... As well as save his own skin, of course.)

I also felt (just my opinion) that the final rum joke was in bad taste. "Then burn the rum." and everyone stops. O.o It was far too slapstick, and- I don't know. It just took away something, for me.

And while I hate the monkey... I'm just waiting for PETA to throw a fuss about Jack's constant shooting of it.

And! (because I can't seem to shut up) I was pleasantly surprised with Tia Dalma. I liked her much more than I thought I would... But I keenly felt Anamaria's absence. Why didn't they get her back? I thought she was great. :( -And sadly enough, I wouldn't mind reading a few Tia/Ana stories... M'not sure why.-

At the moment... I'm thinking of sticking to CotBP if I decide to write any more PotC fics.

One more thing (Pirates honor). I can't wait for the third one, to see Norrington shaven, and shiny back in his nice clean uniform. (But with an, undoubtedly, different attitude. XD More snarky and wonderful than ever.)

Boy, yeah, and after that scene I kind of inwardly groaned and thought that now, all kinds of girls are going to hate Keira Knightley. I never particularly liked her, and I don't really care myself, but I do have to admit that making out with Johnny Depp is quite a feat - even for Hollywood.

ANYway. She's all, "do the right thing! you're a good man!" so it kind of surprised me when she did that. I thought at first that she didn't have it in her, but then I changed my mind after thinking about how pissed she was at him. So I guess that's why she chained him, but still, it was annoying.

I saw it as more a comment on Elizabeth than on Jack. No I don't think he'd have jumped ship, but I think it was important to Elizabeth's character development that she was prepared to do it. what I want to know is

would she have kissed him anyway? or was that just entrapment.

and the state of her in Tia Dalma's hut - did she really regret it, or was she upset in a "that needed to be done" kind of way?

*cuddles*

I'm with you on that. I mean... not quite distraught, but distinctly distressed because WTF "what the Black Pearl... really is, is freedom" OH WAIT I'LL ABANDON HER.

No way. It was written all over his face! He wasn't all "Omg shock Elizabeth how could you", it was more "Er... are these cuffs really necessary? Oh, and you suck at kissing, :P".

Rawr indeed. He should just elope with newly heartbroken Will.

:(

I watched this scene very closely tonight, and made comments on it in my journal.

Short version: I agree that it was more a statement on Elizabeth and her completely lack of trust in Jack at that point. Everything about Jack's reaction seems to say to me "well look at you, you've stooped to a pirate's level, and it wouldn't have even mattered, ~~you wench~~."

you know what's been bugging me since the moment I saw it in DMC?

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