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ho-lee. I'm away for 30 hours, and I am so. backlogged.

and I think all I can say right now is...
Pope.

I know it seems ineloquent. harsh, brusque, uncaring, insensitive, possibly even offensive. but... the loss of such a Holy Man is not something I can compute right now. God and the Church and I will confront it later tonight, with a copy of the Bible, the Catechism, and the BCP.


...hum

(comment with anything you're antsy for me to see. the 5madmuses fic is steadily happening, and surprising me at 10 pages and growing.)

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Date: 2005-04-03 01:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elizile.livejournal.com
Clearly you are ignorant and very misguided.

Firstly, to the very end the Pope possessed complete control of his mental faculties. He may have physically feeble, as a result of Parkinson's disease, but he was very strong in mind and spirit.

Secondly, as the head of the Roman Catholic church, it most definitely is his domain, to speak to the faithful about religion and morals. It's his job. And if you don't like it, nobody's forcing you to follow it. The Pope said that Christians "must let their voices be heard while at the same time respecting the beliefs of others, in accordance with the values in which they believe."

Speaking of respect, it appears that you are completely lacking in respect for the dead. What's more, you lack respect for life, something every human has a right to - yes, even unborn children, and disabled/old people.

"Unwanted babies." Why do they occur? Because people are so careless with their sexuality. If they had respect for the sacredness of sex, there would be no need for contraception and abortion.


If you disagree with some of John Paul II's ideals, okay. Have your own views. Explain them. Don't be immature and make rude attacks on someone who was recognized by people of all faiths as a good man, who traveled the world advocating peace.

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Date: 2005-04-03 02:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drbillbongo.livejournal.com
Oh, too kind.

Firstly, to the very end the Pope possessed complete control of his mental faculties. He may have physically feeble, as a result of Parkinson's disease, but he was very strong in mind and spirit.
That applies to many people. Many people who have done good deeds for others. But are their funerals broadcasted over the world? And are they prayed for by thousands of people? No, they're not.

Speaking of respect, it appears that you are completely lacking in respect for the dead.
I'm definitely not, I can assure you. I just don't want respect to be biased. Or based on someone's title or religious status. It seems that the Catholic church is not very generous with respect either.

What's more, you lack respect for life, something every human has a right to - yes, even unborn children, and disabled/old people.
I value everyone's life. But to prevent the birth of disabled children, for example, is valuing life as it should be. They won't have a happy life. Maybe they won't even know they're alive. And it's a heavy burden for the parents as well, some won't be able to live with it. As the world is now, with all the difficulties that have not yet been solved by science, it's better to spare a child life as a disabled person.

"Unwanted babies." Why do they occur? Because people are so careless with their sexuality. If they had respect for the sacredness of sex, there would be no need for contraception and abortion.
Tell that the guy who wants to rape you.

I didn't want to sound rude. But I've always stated my opinion shortly and clearly. If I appeared rude to you, I will apologize. But I won't apologize for my opinion.

Cute icon, by the way.

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Date: 2005-04-03 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drbillbongo.livejournal.com
Forgot something.

Honestly, I don't see how people can value life on the one hand and forbid others to use contraception for medical reasons, e.g. because of aids.

I'm sorry for seeming offensive, but I always tend to take controversial sides. I can understand your grief, so I would not want to go into this any further.

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Date: 2005-04-03 09:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elizile.livejournal.com
I didn't mean to sound preachy, or to completely yotch you out. It's just that I didn't think it a very appropriate time for you to be making those comments.

You're entitled to your opinions, of course. And I can see where you're coming from, on many of these issues.

As you said, there's really no need to go into it any further. I just felt I should say something.

Thanks for understanding.
~Eliz

(P.S. I'm not much of an icon-maker. Glad you like it...)

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